SPEAKER_02 0:00

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SPEAKER_05 1:02

Hello there.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

And before we get into Cody and his disappearance, tell us a little bit about you and your relationship to Cody.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

And I um actually knew Cody before me and Chad got together. Um we used to work together and um then we hung out and we were good friends as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

And what would you like people to know about Cody?

SPEAKER_05 1:48

He had a big heart. He cared about other people more than he cared about himself. He's um he's a very outdoorsy guy. Um happy going. Very energetic. He's just overall a good person.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Yeah. Despite what, you know, people might have heard about him or anything, you know, he he was a pretty good guy. Um a good dad, or at least tried to be as best as he could. You know, he was a good um employee from what I know. Um, he was just a good person.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Something that we have found as we've continued this journey is the importance of talking about someone as a person and their heart and their character, as opposed to maybe a decision or behavior um that may really stick with them because it's kind of been a bad choice or a negative choice. And we've seen this before in some of our other stories where it feels like maybe someone's disappearance wasn't attended to in the way that we would want it to be because of some behavior that they engaged in. Um, and so that is why it is so important that we are speaking with um with you and with Selena and with Michelle and everyone really close to Cody because we want to know about him as a person and not necessarily about some of the truth. I agree. So can you tell us what did a normal work day look like?

SPEAKER_05 3:23

It started out at 7 30 every morning. Um we'd get to work and I'd usually be there before him. And we'd load up our truck and we'd go out to people's properties and survey their properties and make su show them where their property corners are and stuff like that. We were out in the woods a lot. Um it was it was pretty hard work, but um we had a good time while we were doing it. Just because of the friendship.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Yeah. It's nice to work with somebody that you like get along with and you can like hang out with uh while you're working.

SPEAKER_04 4:03

Just not working.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Yeah, having fun.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Yeah, there are you know so many times in our lives where we get we don't get to choose our coworkers sometimes, we'll say. Right. And so we it's those times when it is fortunate that it's someone that we really click with. And it sounds like you all had a relationship before, which I think really helped a lot. From speaking um to Michelle, it seemed like things were going pretty well at work and Cody was was doing a great job. Can you tell us more about that?

SPEAKER_05 4:30

Yeah, he was doing a great job. He was um he was actually running the crew that me and him was on. He was um he was in a supervisor position. He was working to run a crew and get uh uh pay pay raise. So he was very determined on uh doing that. And uh pretty much he just he was a go-getter.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

So it would have been unusual for him to like be late or to not show up for work or something like that. He was on time and all those kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 5:02

Yeah, the last time the last time I seen him, he said he'd see me at work on Monday.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

And was that Friday? That was the 21st, was the last time you saw her?

SPEAKER_01 5:13

No, he would see you at work Saturday.

unknown 5:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:16

Yeah, yeah. So how do you it was on a Saturday?

SPEAKER_01 5:21

It was a Friday that he Well, y'all got off work Friday, and then y'all was gonna work extra that Saturday. Yeah. I was gonna make up more hours.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

And he never showed it.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

That that is what we understand as well. That Friday, typically uh Selina would pick him up and take him home. And that she was not available, and so he uh was able to obtain a work truck.

SPEAKER_05 5:44

Yeah, he asked that he asked that baby borrow the work truck, and the boss man said it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

And then he was gonna bring it back Saturday morning, and then you guys would continue. Yes, ma'am, as normal on Saturday.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

So in the days and and weeks kind of leading up to these events that happened over the weekend, and we we definitely want to get into those events. Did you notice anything unusual or different about Cody leading up to this sort of interesting weekend that happened?

SPEAKER_05 6:16

Um, not particularly. I mean, he seemed a little bit troubled about his his child because he was he's dealing with his child then at that point. Um but nothing other than that, no. He he seemed very strong-willed and um wanting to do better.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

So can you tell us what your recollection is about that weekend? So let's just start with Saturday when you showed up and he wasn't there. Sort of what did the rest of that weekend look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 6:52

So what had really happened, okay, so they had got home or he had got home on Friday, Chad had. And he said that they were gonna work on Saturday. And it was probably like what, like seven or something in the morning when Briz called you and had asked if Chad had heard from Cody because the truck was there and the door was open. Um, the truck looked like it had been rummaged through Cody's I believe. Yeah, the window was busted out of the office, and Cody's phone was left inside, but there was no sight of Cody. So then um that phone call woke me up and Tad was like explaining everything, and I'm like, well, what the heck? So I I texted his mother, Michelle, and I had asked if because me and her were good, also good friends. When me and Cody used to hang out prior, me and I used to go over to Michelle's house and we also worked together, small town. And um, so I had asked her if she had heard from Cody that morning, and she had said no. And I didn't say anything else because I didn't want like anybody to get panicked because I didn't feel at that point in time it was cause for concern. Then about an hour later, she said that she called or texted and had said that um she hadn't heard from Cody that he was supposed to be at work, um, asking if Chad had heard from him. And that's when I was like, no, Grizz had called earlier and asked if we had heard from Cody because, you know, the door was left open, his stuff was left there, but no Cody in sight. She was like, Well, I can't get a hold of him. Well, Chad ended up not going into work that day because of this mess that had transpired. So, and they couldn't get a hold of Cody still. Um, we tried calling his friend um who's that w his best friend, the Wagner boy.

SPEAKER_05 8:51

Yeah, David.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

I I guess so.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

Um Josh Wagner.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

Josh Wagner, that's who it is. That's like his like, I guess, longtime childhood best friend um that he was really close with. So we tried getting up with him. We also uh got up with and um said that he hadn't seen him at all either or heard from him. So which yeah, this was Saturday. What?

SPEAKER_02 9:21

Yeah, I'm having a big reaction to that because it's not aligning with kind of what uh so let me just clarify. You told you guys on Saturday that he had had no contact with Cody.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Yes, that was about Saturday morning. It was before noon for sure.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Because everyone's kind of sort of doing their due diligence to try to figure out what's going on. So we're just sort of for this landscaping company, surveying company.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Was he technically still working there at this point or was he?

SPEAKER_04 9:56

He was still working, he was okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

So are brothers.

SPEAKER_04 10:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

And they had worked together as well. Well, had well, he didn't show up from work for like a week.

SPEAKER_05 10:09

Yeah, and then showed up and he boss told him to leave.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Yeah, basically he got fired. Well, then it's like I'm not gonna continue to work this job without him, and you know, he ended up, you know, still coming, but you know, he freaked out, flipped out. And then after the whole everything that went over the weekend, like into Saturday and then Sunday, and then the police got called and all that stuff, and Michelle ended up getting in contact with she says she saw them at the gas station and asked if they had heard from Cody. And I guess one of them said no, but then there was a girlfriend in the back who said yes. So it was just really confusing information. And um, I guess Grizz, the boss man, on Sunday when they all had to meet up there at the shop because the police had been called at this point, um, because the truck had been missing now. Um, I guess had said that they had been in contact with him. Um, so they lied. Well, I guess Grizz Grizz fired for lying because he was had seen Cody and like knew at this point where that he had taken the truck. Like it was just it's just a whole mess. And a lot of this information is not out for anybody to really know. And I think this just everything is just swept under the rug. Like a lot of the I feel are important details. Pretty much most of what is out there is that he is a criminal. I mean, at one point they released an article saying that not to approach him because he was dangerous. I mean, if anybody truly knew Cody, like he he is not a dangerous person. Like it just it blew my mind all the things that we have seen and read about him and what they're posting. And then after that, it just kind of faded away. And I don't know what they're still doing because they haven't really released any more information that I am aware of. But I mean, it's been so long and there's nothing new. It's just it's a whole, it's a mess.

SPEAKER_02 12:27

It's just a mess. Here's what I'm gathering from that that this lines up with the Saturday and the shop getting broken into, apparently. And Cody's phone and I believe some clothes were there, and everything was all left. I think everything was inside, wasn't it? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

And it doesn't make sense why the shop would have been broken into because Cody had a key.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

And the truck that went missing is not the truck that he borrowed.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 12:57

The truck that went missing is a different truck. You borrowed one truck and you were supposed to return and come back to work Saturday. Well, that that truck was back. It was a whole different truck that was taken.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Yeah, I have actually a theory on how that happened, but not something I'm ready to broadcast yet.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

I don't even think I know that theory yet. I've been working on this one. So kind of keep telling I think you said something really powerful. And what you said was there are a lot of things that have been swept under the rug or aren't out there because there's this perception um of Cody that you know is just a part of him rather than him as the whole person. So tell us more about what you think isn't out there. What do people need to know?

SPEAKER_01 13:44

So Cody had gotten into some trouble at some point. Um, this was before he was like, he was when Chad and him worked together, um, he had been doing really good at this point, you know, like he wanted to better his life, be more involved with his son, you know, work toward a brighter future. Now, before all that, he got into a little bit of trouble. And I think um when all this stuff had come out, they really took that and ran with it. I know that one point I had been told that he had worked for the police department in like, I don't know if it was Bluntstown, Panama. I I mean, I don't know, but he worked for some sort of police department. Um, so I feel like that had a play in why people weren't believing some things that were said. Or I had even tried like talking with some of the deputies around town, and you know, they could give only very little information. Um, because I worked at the gas station, I managed there, and the deputies would come in all the time and I'd be like, hey, um, you know, what's the updates? Have we heard any updates? And very limited information for sure. Um I will also say that there is one thing that strike me as really odd. So when his truck or the work truck that's not the one he was allowed to borrow, but the one that had actually gone missing like the next day or whatever, um, the one that was found in the woods off of like one 109 or whatever that road is down there, they said that they took the dogs out there and to try and pick up on scent, and they couldn't pick up on anything out there from what I understood. And it's just crazy to me because if your dogs are as good as you say they are, then why didn't they pick up on anything out there? They should have picked up on something if he was in that truck.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Yeah, it's interesting. We were told a slightly different story, but still very strange as well, that they the dogs picked up on Cody's scent in the truck, but not outside of the truck.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

To me, I'm like, how's that possible? He had to have unless he was never in that truck. That that was my theory behind that, that his scent was in it because he's probably actually used that work truck before.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

We used more we used multiple trucks.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

It's just uh I mean, I'm no investigator, but sometimes I feel like I should have, you know, chose a c different career path. Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

It's funny, that's been kind of our life since we started this podcast because it started it started out as an interesting hobby, then it just blew up and now we do this every week, sometimes multiple times during the week.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

So I'll just talk a little bit about kind of where I am sitting with this right now, and and maybe you can all respond to that. Like I don't have really any hard evidence to prove that this story that we're being told from whatever happened starting, let's say Saturday morning until Tuesday is like accurate, right? I mean, we do know that there is some sort of footage from a Dollar General where we do see Cody.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

I was told that um by one of the deputies that at some point, um, I can't remember if it was, I think I was told days before he had supposedly went missing or went on the run or whatever they're trying to say he did. Um, that he had purchased like a new phone. Um, I also was told by one of the deputies, mind you, this deputy no longer works in Liberty County, so I'm not quite sure how true or you know valuable this information is, but they said that they could not pick up anything on any of the cameras except for the subway camera. The camera at the subway, they saw one of the trucks. I can't remember if it was the truck or the work truck, but they saw all the boys in it together. Cody. They had drove like by the subway and it had picked up on one of the subway cameras.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Do you remember them saying like a date or time on that at all?

SPEAKER_01 18:18

I I think it might have been Saturday. But I truly cannot remember because it was so long ago. I'm sure if I could go back in my messages, because I have this group chat with a couple girls, my friends, and we're like FBI agents up in there. Like we we were on this whole kick for weeks, just like, well, what if this happened? Or what if this happened? Well, this is what I heard, well, this is what we heard, like just back and forth and back and forth. So I'm sure I could like remember some, you know, crazy things in there if I went back.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Yeah, when we talk to um Selena, she'll say something, she'll and you'll hear it. She says, Oh, at 132, they said blah, blah, blah, blah. Like she is keeping all the receipts. This girl hasn't gotten rid of anything. No. But we also heard something about a picture of a truck coming across the bridge from Calhoun County. That's right. But we don't know the date, we don't know the time, we don't know which truck, and we don't know like who was in it. Right. But this image of the truck in the subway is um is a new one for us. Yeah. It's really interesting. There are a lot of similarities between Cody's disappearance and um Ian Rogers, who's been missing out of Walcala County. We have similar things with trucks being captured on cameras, but you can't really tell who's in there. Right. We have this similar idea of the sheriff's office saying, don't approach this person, they're dangerous, because they said the same thing about Ian. We have them similarly going missing, potentially with Cody and definitely with Ian in a work truck.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

And we have two businesses that did not put any kind of GPS trackers on their work trucks.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Yeah. And you know, I just thought of something else that I thought was kind of weird. So Saturday at um some point in the morning, after Grizz, which is the boss who owns the surveying place, after you know, they had found out that, you know, Cody's all his belongings were left. He had asked Chad if he knew what Cody's like PIN code was to get into Cody's phone. And like, I just find that really weird. Cause like, why do you need that?

SPEAKER_02 20:41

And as it turns out, if I'm getting it correctly, this was actually Selena's phone. Yes. Right. She tells us how she, I think, took the SIM card. I don't really understand how the phones work, but he was in the process of getting a new phone or something like that. Yes. And she went up there and she got her hands on that phone. Um, but then I think it ended up getting turned over to the to the sheriff's office. But she did have it for a short time and and of course was looking to see what was on that phone too.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

I don't know if we ever got into it because that I remember we were trying to figure out um like how to get into it. And you know, I literally we could not figure out what the pin was. I remember a deputy saying they couldn't get into the phone because they had to figure out how to get somebody that could like tap into it because they didn't have the pin for it. I literally remember somebody saying that it was his lunch number from school. So I literally called up to the school. I don't know if I should even put this on here, but I called up to the school, and I'm not gonna say any names because I don't want to get anybody in trouble, but um, I had them look into file and find out what Cody's lunch number was, and I gave that information to Michelle to give to the police so that they were able to get into the phone.

SPEAKER_03 21:59

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

So I don't know if they ever did.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Then did they tell you what they found? Did you never got no information? No information.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

I even told one of the deputies that I had like given that information to Michelle and that she said she was going to take it to the police. And he couldn't give me any information. So he just looked at me.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

And I was like, what do you guys think? What do you think happened? You know, let's say, let's just start with Saturday morning. Like, I know you've kicked these ideas around, talked with your your girlfriends. What's your suspicion?

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Um I think after all this time has passed by and just like the chain of events that happened. Um, so right after all this happened, um ended up in jail for possession of drugs, left the state and moved to Georgia. And I find that very odd.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

Um called me missing out that one.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

I do. So there was a post on the Panhandle Sippin' Chat, um, which is a group that this um local, uh Miss Kyra, she had created. And um, there's like what like thousands of people in surrounding counties in this group, and um, it's called the Panhandle Sippin' Chat. And somebody had posted about if there was any more information on Cody, um, because they hadn't heard anything for a while. And I had put a comment on there about, and I guess he had hurt saw the comment because he called Chad shortly after that, later on that day, and was freaking out, asking Chad why I was posting all this stuff with his name in there and all this. And to me, I just thought that, you know, if you had nothing to worry about, then why are you freaking out? And so I think are liars.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Um, straight up. Um, I think that they had something to do with this. And it's just a altercation or something. Yeah. They had supposedly gotten to an altercation that day. And uh didn't somebody say something about um Cody like backed into their truck or something like that. And I think it just got maybe taken too far or they set him up. I I truly don't know like what exactly happened, but I do think that they are behind this and the truth will come out eventually. Um just for like peace of mind for his family's sake, you know, like he has siblings and he has a son, and you know, I think that they truly had something to do with him going missing, whether whether he's alive or not, you know, like who knows, but who's who goes missing for this long? And I know for a fact he would have somehow contacted his mom. I for sure know that. And just the fact that he has not is just very alarming. But I truly think that definitely, definitely had something to do with all of this. And they're not speaking on it. And if it was one of them, I'm sure their family would like to know, you know, if the roles were reversed.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

And do you feel like there are leads or rumors that you have heard about that have not been fully investigated?

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Um, yes, I'm sure that there is. Um, what was that thing that somebody had said something not long ago? It was a few months ago. Who I heard it at the gas station, it was something about saying that like they had somebody had brought up some sort of information about how they had something went wrong and they had killed Cody and buried him, and then they planted the truck somewhere and then moved his body. They planted the truck down there at like 109 so that they could move his body elsewhere. Like as a as a setup or something like that. And like I I mean, it's just the rumor mill, you know, like it's going to continue and you know, until we get some information answers, but I mean, who knows what's true? I mean, literally, I there's three sides to every story, you know, his, hers, theirs, and you know, whatever, and the true side. So, I mean, I don't know if we'll ever know. I hope we do, and I hope we find out more information or, you know, some peace of mind, just anything, any any kind of information, just a sliver, would be, you know, helpful for his Cody's family. I mean, it's it's I can't imagine like one of my kids go missing. Like, I have three kids of my own, and I just could not imagine that.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

What do you think is let's walk down the path of these two guys have something to do with it. What what are the pieces that are missing? What what do you think the Liberty County Sheriff's Office might need to be able to do?

SPEAKER_01 27:21

I think they're biased. I think that they, you know, I heard that failed a lie detector, polygraph, whatever you call those. Um I feel like that right there, like what were the questions that were asked, you know, that cause like caused them to fail it? You know, were they important questions? You know, was it vital information, or was it just stupid questions, you know? Like I I mean, I I don't know, because there's just like I said, there has not been very much information surfaced. And the things that we do we do know, any anything that you look up is oh well, he's a he's a fugitive, he's wanted for this, he's wanted for that. Well, what about, you know, like all this shady stuff that happened that weekend? Like, why how come that's not like you got uh like me, the things that I've heard, the things that I, you know, know because of you know what I've seen or the things that I've heard when on Chad's phone calls with the boss man, or you know, he worked directly at that office or at that shop. So he knew a lot of information. You know, when the truck was found, um, one of the other guys that worked there called Chad and was like, hey, yo, like they found the truck. And Chad was like, no way. And we saw the truck and what it looked like. And um, it just, I mean, it was it was beat up, but it didn't look like I mean, it looked like it was intentionally beat up, I guess. I I mean, I don't know. I just I have my suspicions and my own opinions. I think that the police department could do better, but I think that they are so wrapped up in catching all these people for doing drugs around here that they are missing out on important cases like this. Any any important case, I mean, there's been multiple missing people around here. Um, this lady um was found in like the marsh down the river after she had been missing for like what two, three weeks. Um, no, this was is that Lacey's yes, it was a different lady. She lived right down the road by the um Bristol Goat Landing in a camper down there. And she went missing, and then next thing you know, they had found her in the marsh up the river. And then there's Lacey Ammons that was, you know, found in a ditch in Hawsford. And then there was uh Carla Alvarez that was found over there in Bluntstown. Uh in her truck that was sunk in water. Um, she was found like floating in the car. Her truck was supposedly put in park. They think that she had ran through this gate. Like, it's just, I mean, and nobody, we don't know any more information on that case either. Like, so much stuff is happening. Somebody's Tesla was found in a freaking hunting lease down Turkey Creek Road with nobody, uh, nobody in it. And the man that had it is missing, still never found him. No more information on that case. Like, they don't care about anything other than people doing drugs around here, I feel.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

That's the guy from Louisiana, right? The Tesla, yes. I'm hearing all these kinds of things.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

We just heard about this.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Yeah, and it's good, right? Like, this is what we want to know. We want to hear what's going on in our neighboring counties and maybe put our heads together and see if we can make some headway on on some of these things, I think is the idea.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

I'll tell you what, all this stuff will make you not want to move to Bristol.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

We're just about to head back to Crawfordville, so maybe we gotta reconsider.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

But this this stuff's everywhere. It's everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

I know, it's just because it's a small town, so it's it's close to home, it's close to everybody because everybody knows everybody and everybody's family around here. So, you know. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

That happened to us. Um, the first um case that we covered is the Jody Kilgore unsolved homicide in Walcala County, and that's Michael's uncle. And we would be talking to people, uh, about the next case, which was Ian Rogers, and then someone would go, Hold on, before you guys hang up, we want to tell you what we know about Jody Kilgore, because I know you know his mom cut my hair or whatever. Right. Um, and I'm I'm from a big metro area, I'm from the Denver area, and so this is just wild to me. Like somebody will just grab the phone from somebody, oh, wait, wait, we want to tell you about this because we babysat so-and-so's dog groomers, whatever. You know, it's really crazy. That to me, like it seems so strange to me that when you have these tight-knit communities and and people know what's going on, why aren't we solving these things? Right? Like, why does it take so long to find Ian Rogers truck? Why do we not know where he is? Why do we not know where Cody is? Why do we not know who who killed Jody Kilgore? Like, people talk all the time. So what's missing?

SPEAKER_00 32:31

What's crazy is you know, we've broadcast quite a bit on a lot of these different, you know, cases, but it would be sh shocking for you guys to know how much people tell us that we never record.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Um, and that's that's super common. And so, yeah, but it goes right back to what what Elisa's saying. The information's right there. What are we waiting on?

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Literally, like you can't tell me that like after all this time, nobody knows anything like it. I just don't believe it. I just don't believe it.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Particularly with what we're supposed to believe is one of the last people to see him is currently incarcerated. So this person is easy to access. We don't we don't need to figure out where they are.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

We know exactly where he is.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

So let's ask him. I'm gonna need to do my little investigation. Uh this is easy to actually find out. You just have to go to Clerk of the Courts and you can go to any Florida.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

I live on that website.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

Yeah, and they'll tell you, like, you know, who's incarcerated, where, when is their release date. So um, I mean, I can definitely I can definitely check that out because that is of concern to me. If he's no longer incarcerated and is has been released from there, but is probably someone who knows a lot about this information, he's just going to be able to just walk away and probably move states.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Literally. Honestly. I mean, I literally like I was looking for them one time, like me and was it me and Kelly?

unknown 34:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

I think it was me and my sister-in-law. We literally like drove around and we were like looking for their vehicles, like, we're like, where do they live? Like something suspicious. Like, I want to see if he even did back in. Because they said that Cody was in the work truck and like they got into an altercation um at the job, what, Saturday morning or Sunday or whatever. The day that Cody took the truck or whatever, because Cody had like backed into whatever. So we were like, okay, well, let's see this truck. So we literally got in our car and we're we don't know where these boys live, but I mean, Bristol and one sounds small enough. We'll figure it out. We were literally driving roads, like trying to see, like, okay, this is what truck he supposedly has. I've seen it at the job. Let's go see if we can find it. Driving just down all these roads, trying to see if we can find it, Googling uh like their names to see who they're related to, to see like the parcels, to see who lives where at what address. I'm telling you. We do all that. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

I'm telling you. I have a Ben verified account, and then we have a very close f uh friend who is uh in the real estate business, and we'll just be like, hey, and then we can get yeah, we I we are doing similar things, I think. It seems like to talk more about you're the first people who have said anything about some potential crash, not crashing of the truck, but backing up of the truck. Can you tell us more about what you've heard?

SPEAKER_01 35:46

So uh I don't know how how did that part even come up because I truly don't remember.

SPEAKER_05 35:51

I'm not sure either.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

I just somebody had said something was it.

SPEAKER_05 35:58

Yeah, I think it was.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

I think it was somebody had said something. I'm trying to Google it on my phone to see if I can find it. Something about an altercation. And I'm pretty sure some I I don't know if it was because they back he bat supposedly backed into his truck, or if he like they got into the altercation and then he like tried to like speed up out of there and hit his truck and like fled, and that's like what they were saying. I can't truly remember, but I'm sure it's in these messages, Carl.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

Can you tell us if Cody hung out with these guys a lot or if it was unusual for him to spend uh what feels like to be an extended amount of time with them?

SPEAKER_05 36:41

It was it was new. Like because they started working with us later on. So it was new that he was hanging out with them. That was like the first time.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Yeah, that's the sense we get as well. To me, uh, this feels like super obvious, unless we're missing something like that just hasn't been brought to us. You know, when we have talked about some of our other cases, like particularly with Ian, where there were several different directions we were thinking about.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

And in this one, I mean I mean, this is a pretty clear direction for me as well. So one of the things we've done this already, but we haven't gotten a response back yet. But we're already reaching out to law enforcement. And one of the things we're doing is we're putting all this together and compiling all the information, what's similar, and we're gonna send it to them and say, okay, what's going on? And you know, what needs to be communicated out to the family. And so what we've learned through this journey we've taken, you know, even just creating this podcast, is you know, putting pressure on law enforcement is something that does first of all, does work, but you have to be very consistent about it. You have to do it all the time. You you cannot let up. Even some of the you know, various experts we've had on the show have indicated the same idea. They're like, just stay on it and don't don't let them don't let their apathy get you to go away. Um, because what happened, you know, it's like it's a we've been pretty consistent with this now is we've been able to get these cases elevated um even to the national level. And that's great. And so that's what we intend to do with this one.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

So one last thing I did for sure want to mention um about like the deputies just like in the investigation, just uh how they went about doing all this. Um I find it very weird that in the midst of all this, you know, supposedly for at least Saturday and Sunday until finally fessed up to saying that they had been around Cody. Um I will say that the police never once, you know, questioned Chad about, you know, like how Cody was or when he last saw him, or he was one of the last people as well to have seen Cody. Like they worked together Friday, and then Chad went home, and Cody had supposedly gone home or whatever he where wherever he truly went. And he was they never questioned Chad. Chad, I don't think, ever got brought up. Like, I mean, I don't know if that could have been, you know, he could have given any information, but I mean I they didn't put the effort in. Exactly. I would have, you know, been contacting anybody that had been seen with him or had been around him in the last like however many days, 48 hours, the first 48, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I just think it's crazy. Yes. I just think it's crazy. They didn't show that at all.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Yes, we see something similar again with Ian and Walcala County that um the person that he, his girlfriend at the time that he went missing, that he was actually living with is not someone that the Walcala County Sheriff's Office spoke with, at least initially. In fact, from what I remember her saying, they never actually even went to her house to like to like see where he was living. And there's some sort of belief that he was in his work truck in the driveway. They never went and talked to the people who were at the house that day that Ian went missing to find out if that was accurate.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Like and I mean, maybe that's just I mean, who knows if it's like missed information, but I mean you never know until you talk to that person. There could have been some sort of missed information, you know. You just never know, but um who who knows? I'm no investigator.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

I'm actually thinking about getting my private investigator license. I don't really know what it takes. I think I can just, you know, I'm sure there's some, what do you like, you know, buy a diploma thing and something like that.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Well, I would say that's pretty far from the truth, but that's not what this episode's about.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

All right. Um, as we kind of wrap, anything else that you wanted to talk about that, you know, has maybe come to you while we've been talking now? Just any like you had said earlier, any sliver of information could be the information that is needed.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Exactly. Um, in this moment, I can't think of anything that I haven't already said, but I'm sure that I will think of something after we get off this podcast of like, oh my gosh, I didn't mention this. I should have mentioned that. I I know it'll happen. Um just even if it's just things that like I thought of back then, a year and a half ago, when all this was going on, you know? It was just so much crazy stuff going on in that whole moment, like for just weeks, and then it kind of just like dissipated, and that was it. Like and then I mean I you haven't heard any other information, right? Nope. Yeah, me neither.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

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